This blog originally began anonymously in early April 2008 with the purpose of giving me an outlet for free thought, unimpaired by fear that someone I know might arrive here uninvited and read my most recent "dangerous" thoughts and think poorly of me.
I was a Christian. From my infant baptism through my “conversion” experience as a teenager, then onto serious-minded pursuits of authentic Christian living…choosing a Christian wife…having our children baptized…etc. I had made a considerable number of rather significant life choices based on my Christianity…surrounding myself with Christian friends working in a company that only employs Christians…etc.
Needless to say, as I began to seek real honesty with myself about my religious beliefs, I immediately faced a great deal of anxiety about being “caught.” It seemed prudent temporarily to remain anonymous as I explored the truth. I was doubting that I had ever honestly loved God. I knew very well that many of my religious notions felt very deep and genuine at times throughout my life, but I finally allowed myself to realize that I very clearly loved myself more than I loved God. I desired things which He would not desire. I did things He would not intend for me to do. I refrained from doing things He would want me to do. In other words, practically speaking, I was occupying the seat of "boss" in my life and not yielding to my God.
In days past, I had tried to muster up some sort of remorse or regret regarding any desires or activities that conflicted with my Christian faith, but I began to realize that I couldn't convince myself (and no longer wanted to) that I was sorry about such things. Finally, in March of this year, I gave up personally...inwardly, trying to avoid the thoughts which were opposed to my Christian faith.
And then I knew that I was no longer in "right relationship" with God, and I began to doubt that anyone could honestly be in "right relationship" with God. This caused me to wonder whether my whole notion of Christianity...or the general pursuit of reconciliation with an offended but ultimately loving God...was real.
Oddly, rather than this thought process being particularly traumatic or depressing, I felt somewhat uplifted and rather liberated....which was the most scary part I suppose. I have not been torn up or distressed emotionally. I have not been wandering around in any sort of disabled Eeyore-ish melancholy state. I've been quite fine actually. And I've come to accept that I am (if labels must be used) an agnostic atheist. With regard to having certainty or knowledge about gods, I say it is impossible. With regard to my own belief, I say that gods do not exist.
"You" (the audience) started out in very singular fashion, since I only “came out of the closet” with one good friend initially. But over these months, your numbers have grown as I have participated in various online discussions with Arkansas Atheists, Atheist Nexus, De-Conversion, and several great blogs. I still don’t have any intent to make this blog into a powerhouse site with record-setting numbers of visitors, and I certainly don’t set out to recruit visitors, or hand out business cards with this address on it.
But…the good news is that as I have continued to mature in my non-religious thoughts over the last few months, I have become less fearful of being “caught” and more interested to just be myself. So look out world…who knows what I might do next!
Cheers!
Mike
Showing posts with label Explanation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Explanation. Show all posts
Friday, August 8, 2008
Friday, July 11, 2008
Agnostic Atheism
I do not believe in any deity and can therefore be properly called an "atheist," but like many others before me, I intend to maintain the descriptor "agnostic" because I cannot yet claim particular knowledge as to the non-existence of deities. So my pen name here of Non Sicuro Pensatore is still adequate because while I quite plainly do not believe that any gods exist, I also do not have any need or desire to assert the non-existence of gods with certainty.
Labels:
Agnosticism,
Atheism,
Definitions,
Explanation
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
Assessing My Christian Experience
In a recent comment thread, the question was raised regarding my own Christian experience. If you are a Christian apologist looking to interact with someone who has deconverted from Christianity, one of the fundamental points you want to establish is that something was amiss about the deconvert's Christian experience. "True" Christians who are supposedly filled with the Holy Spirit and who dwell in an authentic loving living relationship with their Lord and Saviour Jesus cannot just walk away, right?!?
I claim to have experienced Christianity to its fullest from every angle possible. I felt that I had intimacy with the Christian God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I studied and believed the Bible cover to cover. I lived in close community with other Christians. My faith matured. I had experiences which I thought should be attributed to God. I prayed. I chose my wife primarily based on our shared Christian faith. I shared and defended the Christian faith to others…agnostics, atheists, etc. I took very, very difficult stands on Christian moral issues in opposition sometimes to family and friends, and even resigned a steady, good-paying job over a Christian view. I was urged on multiple occasions by different people throughout my Christian experience to become a pastor, youth pastor, bible study leader, deacon, missionary, etc. I was trusted. The Christians around me “experientially knew” that I was a real Christian full of faith.
So I do not accept now and will likely never accept the attempts by any conversational friend or foe to suggest that the reason I am not a Christian now is that I never was one or was an incomplete or immature one. This is simply not the case. So, if you want to discredit me or if you want to win an argument with me, you are going to have to come up with another angle.
I claim to have experienced Christianity to its fullest from every angle possible. I felt that I had intimacy with the Christian God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I studied and believed the Bible cover to cover. I lived in close community with other Christians. My faith matured. I had experiences which I thought should be attributed to God. I prayed. I chose my wife primarily based on our shared Christian faith. I shared and defended the Christian faith to others…agnostics, atheists, etc. I took very, very difficult stands on Christian moral issues in opposition sometimes to family and friends, and even resigned a steady, good-paying job over a Christian view. I was urged on multiple occasions by different people throughout my Christian experience to become a pastor, youth pastor, bible study leader, deacon, missionary, etc. I was trusted. The Christians around me “experientially knew” that I was a real Christian full of faith.
So I do not accept now and will likely never accept the attempts by any conversational friend or foe to suggest that the reason I am not a Christian now is that I never was one or was an incomplete or immature one. This is simply not the case. So, if you want to discredit me or if you want to win an argument with me, you are going to have to come up with another angle.
Labels:
Christianity,
Conversion,
Debates,
Explanation,
Testimony
Monday, June 23, 2008
Open Letter To All "Concerned"
Dear Christian Concerned About My Agnosticism,
You recent letter expressed that you are concerned about my loss of faith. It seems to you that I have lost my grip on truth or possibly that I never fully understood it in the first place. You suggest that we should both be open to dialogue about these things because this path I am now on is self-contradictory, as I can’t help but presuppose the existence of the Christian God even as I suggest that he may not exist at all, and is highly unlikely to exist in the way that Christians imagine that he does. And you want me to know that you are not trying to bully me back into a personal relationship with Jesus; you just want me to hear your heart and open my own heart to that God who is knocking on the door for me to invite him in.
Thank you for your concern. Allow me to assure you that I really am quite familiar with “truth” from the Christian’s standpoint. And I “know your heart” because my own “heart” was also very much consumed with following and serving Jesus Christ as my lord and savior for years before my recent de-conversion. I could almost write every word of your side of any conversation for you and have you give a hearty amen (including giving appropriate biblical footnotes).
Your sincerity and honesty are admirable insofar as they go, but the Christian “truth” prevents you from being completely intellectually honest. You do not recognize that your self-perceived openness to dialogue is not actually very open. Your apologetic methods force you to hear the words of atheists and agnostics with impenetrable incredulity. This does not make for a productive use of time and energy.
People generally want to spend time in conversation with other people who will at least reserve some inkling of some percentage of a possibility that the opposing view might be right. But when one person in the exchange presupposes something as grand as the existence of God (and not just any notion of a God, but the Biblically presented Christian God), then it is difficult to avoid rather immediate exasperation.
By all means, don’t let this letter squelch all semblance of conversation between us, but please be aware of my propensity toward frustration if you intend to continue coming to me with the posture exhibited in your recent letter.
Peace,
Non Sicuro Pensatore
You recent letter expressed that you are concerned about my loss of faith. It seems to you that I have lost my grip on truth or possibly that I never fully understood it in the first place. You suggest that we should both be open to dialogue about these things because this path I am now on is self-contradictory, as I can’t help but presuppose the existence of the Christian God even as I suggest that he may not exist at all, and is highly unlikely to exist in the way that Christians imagine that he does. And you want me to know that you are not trying to bully me back into a personal relationship with Jesus; you just want me to hear your heart and open my own heart to that God who is knocking on the door for me to invite him in.
Thank you for your concern. Allow me to assure you that I really am quite familiar with “truth” from the Christian’s standpoint. And I “know your heart” because my own “heart” was also very much consumed with following and serving Jesus Christ as my lord and savior for years before my recent de-conversion. I could almost write every word of your side of any conversation for you and have you give a hearty amen (including giving appropriate biblical footnotes).
Your sincerity and honesty are admirable insofar as they go, but the Christian “truth” prevents you from being completely intellectually honest. You do not recognize that your self-perceived openness to dialogue is not actually very open. Your apologetic methods force you to hear the words of atheists and agnostics with impenetrable incredulity. This does not make for a productive use of time and energy.
People generally want to spend time in conversation with other people who will at least reserve some inkling of some percentage of a possibility that the opposing view might be right. But when one person in the exchange presupposes something as grand as the existence of God (and not just any notion of a God, but the Biblically presented Christian God), then it is difficult to avoid rather immediate exasperation.
By all means, don’t let this letter squelch all semblance of conversation between us, but please be aware of my propensity toward frustration if you intend to continue coming to me with the posture exhibited in your recent letter.
Peace,
Non Sicuro Pensatore
Labels:
Agnosticism,
Apology,
Atheism,
Christianity,
Conversion,
Explanation,
Introduction
Tuesday, June 3, 2008
Failure, in a manner of speaking
In my recent blog silence, I have put myself to a test (inadvertently). Is this blog primarily for my personal benefit or am I in search of importance and relevance and maybe even reverence as a writer here? If I had aspirations of developing a regular worldwide readership and active commenting culture at this blog, I can be sure that my silence for the last month has killed any such dream. Blog readers quickly fade away when a blog goes inactive. So in this regard, my new blogging venture has "failed."
However, if this blog really is primarily for my personal benefit, then periods of silence here are no problem whatsoever. If this is for me, then it really doesn't matter whether "you" are here or elsewhere.
But I did decide to at least chime in here and make any occasional stoppers-by aware that I am not dead and I have not abandoned this blog. On the contrary, during my very rare free time, I am working on an article for this blog. I enjoy writing and I am hopeful that you will find anything I post here to be worthwhile reading.
However, if this blog really is primarily for my personal benefit, then periods of silence here are no problem whatsoever. If this is for me, then it really doesn't matter whether "you" are here or elsewhere.
But I did decide to at least chime in here and make any occasional stoppers-by aware that I am not dead and I have not abandoned this blog. On the contrary, during my very rare free time, I am working on an article for this blog. I enjoy writing and I am hopeful that you will find anything I post here to be worthwhile reading.
Labels:
Announcement,
Explanation,
General Ponderings
Wednesday, April 2, 2008
Purpose / Introduction
[UPDATE - THIS POST HAS BEEN REVISED AND UPDATED TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THINGS AS THEY ARE TODAY 8/8/08, FOR THE UPDATE - CLICK HERE]
This blog has begun with the purpose of giving me an outlet for free thought, unimpaired by fear that someone I know might arrive here uninvited and read my most recent "dangerous" thoughts and think poorly of me.
I was a Christian. I was born into Christianity being baptized as an infant, claimed by historical Sacrament to be a subject of the Lord known as Christ, and thereby called for life to be a loyal and faithful subject. I still attend Church regularly because of my wife and children, and I am reputed to be a Christian even among those who give no particular credence to the objectivity of the Church's Sacraments (except among those to whom I have "come out" about my lack of faith).
I began to seek real honesty with myself about my "true", deepest, inner desires...questioning whether I ever honestly loved God. I realized beyond all shadow of doubt that I very clearly loved myself more than I loved God. I desired things which He would not desire. I did things He would not intend for me to do. I refrained from doing things He would want me to do.
In days past, I had tried to muster up (and I convinced myself that I was occasionally successful) some sort of remorse or regret regarding any desires or activities that conflicted with my Christian faith, and outwardly of course I still do from time to time (keeping up appearances). But inwardly of late, I have not been able to find much desire to even attempt to convince myself that I am sorry about such things. Frankly, I have given up personally...inwardly, trying to avoid the thoughts which were opposed to my Christian faith.
I began to doubt that I was in "right relationship" with God, and I began to doubt (possibly in utter self-defense) that anyone could honestly be in "right relationship" with God. This caused me to wonder whether my whole notion of Christianity...or the general pursuit of reconciliation with an offended but ultimately loving God...was real.
Oddly, rather than this thought process being particularly traumatic or depressing, I have felt somewhat uplifted and rather liberated....which is the most scary part I suppose. I have not been torn up or distressed emotionally. I have not been wandering around in any sort of disabled Eeyore-ish melancholy state. I'm quite fine actually.
"You" (the audience) will likely always be an extreme few in number. I don't intend to issue a general invitation for readers to come visit this blog. I believe I've made this site fairly well anonymous so that anyone who stumbles upon it won't recognize me.
This blog has begun with the purpose of giving me an outlet for free thought, unimpaired by fear that someone I know might arrive here uninvited and read my most recent "dangerous" thoughts and think poorly of me.
I was a Christian. I was born into Christianity being baptized as an infant, claimed by historical Sacrament to be a subject of the Lord known as Christ, and thereby called for life to be a loyal and faithful subject. I still attend Church regularly because of my wife and children, and I am reputed to be a Christian even among those who give no particular credence to the objectivity of the Church's Sacraments (except among those to whom I have "come out" about my lack of faith).
I began to seek real honesty with myself about my "true", deepest, inner desires...questioning whether I ever honestly loved God. I realized beyond all shadow of doubt that I very clearly loved myself more than I loved God. I desired things which He would not desire. I did things He would not intend for me to do. I refrained from doing things He would want me to do.
In days past, I had tried to muster up (and I convinced myself that I was occasionally successful) some sort of remorse or regret regarding any desires or activities that conflicted with my Christian faith, and outwardly of course I still do from time to time (keeping up appearances). But inwardly of late, I have not been able to find much desire to even attempt to convince myself that I am sorry about such things. Frankly, I have given up personally...inwardly, trying to avoid the thoughts which were opposed to my Christian faith.
I began to doubt that I was in "right relationship" with God, and I began to doubt (possibly in utter self-defense) that anyone could honestly be in "right relationship" with God. This caused me to wonder whether my whole notion of Christianity...or the general pursuit of reconciliation with an offended but ultimately loving God...was real.
Oddly, rather than this thought process being particularly traumatic or depressing, I have felt somewhat uplifted and rather liberated....which is the most scary part I suppose. I have not been torn up or distressed emotionally. I have not been wandering around in any sort of disabled Eeyore-ish melancholy state. I'm quite fine actually.
"You" (the audience) will likely always be an extreme few in number. I don't intend to issue a general invitation for readers to come visit this blog. I believe I've made this site fairly well anonymous so that anyone who stumbles upon it won't recognize me.
Words
Pensiero Profondo is italian for deep or profound thought.
Non Sicuro Pensatore is my pen name here and is italian for uncertain thinker.
Non Sicuro Pensatore is my pen name here and is italian for uncertain thinker.
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